32. Author Steve Hall admits it could be the, 48. Fitting out photographs But does this now mean we should treat with suspicion that there were "numerous" ships in the area when Titanic sank? And they were not the only ones. In fact, according to American researcher Jon Hollis, the bell recovered Compare it with the damage photograph below. And when we factor in that the passenger capacity was actually even less (2550, which would mean space for 1503) then we clearly see the claim is not accurate at all. The bulkheads were not actually sealed at the top, this oversight allowed water to flow over, filling each compartment, one at a time. Harold Sanderson repeatedly referred to, 44. 16. Harold Sanderson repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic Survivors on B Deck saw lifeboats lowered from above But perhaps more importantly, the Carpathia was at least 50 miles away from the Titanic when it sank and did not respond until hearing the distress messages. James Cameron took meticulous steps to ensure historical accuracy when creating his 1997 box office hit, Titanic.Since then, Cameron has done extensive research not only on the Titanic itself but the victims of the ill-fated liner. Again no mention here that lifeboats were seen from B Deck. We also have a substantial amount of supporting evidence to prove that Olympic's wheelhouse was indeed curved: 1. were being made to further increase the ships speed. There are two key issues with this story. His winning sonnet sequence was later published with the assistance of his professor, poet John Fuller, as Our Western Furniture (1968) and was broadcast on the BBC. The second photograph is of Titanic, while still being fitted out in 1911, which shows no similar joint in her hull plating just ahead of her port side anchor. This particular picture was a fake and I have an email from the producer of the film confirming this. It could be compared to a short haul and long haul flights today -often requiring very different airline cabin crews. For example there are several photographs taken by newspapers aboard Titanic prior to its departure. This claim is of course connected to the previous claim that the ship hit, instead of an iceberg, an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. Of course there is none. Now, director James Cameron is hoping . Mark Chirnside reports the following: "The companys surplus on the profit - Coming from Belfast to Southampton. Or is the answer because there is nothing there anyway? Though a stint reporting from Germany for The Guardian (197879) was ultimately abortive, A Vacant Possession (1978), his pamphlet of narrative poems, was a critical success. Claim: The Californian was sent to rendezvous with Titanic and collect the passengers after the intentional sinking. Hence it is Olympic, not Titanic. The actual triangular hole in the Olympic is much further aft than the location of the so-called 'patchwork' on the wreck. (Click to enlarge). However both RMS Olympic and RMS Titanic had their names riveted oncovering something up perhaps? boilers were on. It is likely connected with the false claim that the name Olympic was allegedly filmed by Dr. Ballard during his 1986 dive to the wreck -proven to be false in point no.38 here. Morgan and Ismay would have to be fortune tellers as well as fraudsters! PRODUCED BY AIVL, WHOI The crossing from Belfast to Southampton was a short crossing, while the North Atlantic route (Southampton to New York) was much longer. Of course there is no testimony from Ballard himself, or from any of the other expeditions who would clearly have also seen this. Obviously realising that planning a collision in the North Atlantic would be Without evidential support it is merely another concocted claim. THERE IS NO MORE THEORY. In the movie the fireplace was a mixture of the fireplace in B 51 (Cardeza) and C 55 (Straus) and was representing a "new" sitting room B 52 (the complete room became nearly a copy of C 55) which never existed on the original shipFurthermore the fireplaces were in different places. 48. Did J. P. Morgan and J. When they were not working, they were in the pub, drinking and talking. But most critically, there is no photographic evidence or -most noticeably- testimony from Dr Robert Ballard regarding this suspect "longitudinal bulkhead." Mark's." And that was a very surreal kind of image for me too to see these little white crabs crawling around in the fireplace of the room that was commissioned for J.P.Morgan. It would have been a press scoop. 1st Class Steward Edward Wheelton did met Thomas Andrews on B Deck after assisting with lifeboat No. 20. Claim: To sink the "Titanic" (really "Olympic") the original plan was to actually open the seacocks to slowly flood the ship and await rescue. Claim: The ship was going full steam, but was achieving only 21 knots, rather than its theoretical maximum of 23, despite the Atlantic being exceptionally calm on the night of the sinking. First and foremost we must address the fact that 'tonnage' mentioned here does not refer to a ship's "weight". About James Fenton. Also several other passengers such as Lady Duff Gordon and Edith Rosenbaum reported ice on the deck. . 100 cubic feet equals 1 "ton" of internal volume. December 31 st 1911. Where is the photograph? Secondly, there are many eyewitness accounts and descriptions of an iceberg. James Cameron's epic movie 'Titanic' was released 25 years ago Starring Leonardo de Caprio and Kate Winslet, Titanic became the first movie to gross a billion dollars. This was the number that was given to Titanic when it was being built in Belfast, Ireland. Skip to Content. In my view it is very unlikely that the damage was more significant than was admitted at the time. Refer to the images below. Under the circumstances it is perfectly logical. Claim: When James Cameron sent a robot in to Ismay's room it filmed a veined marble surround on the fireplace that exactly matches that shown in a photograph of the corresponding stateroom aboard Olympic, taken in 1911. Claim: The Olympic's hull was painted white for its launch so that it would show up in photographs better. James Cameron had his work cut out for him when it came to getting Leonardo DiCaprio to star in "Titanic." The famed director was honored with a Hand and Footprint Ceremony at the TCL Chinese . In 33 von 66 Fllen wurde der Preistrger spter mit einem Oscar ausgezeichnet, zuletzt 2022 geschehen, mit der Preisvergabe . Albert Edward James* -Able bodied seaman Hosgood, R. -Fireman Hosking, G. F. -Senior third engineer . Displacement tonnage is the actual weight of a ship (about 52,000 tons for Titanic). They Despite the lack of any evidence (and the clearly fictional nature of the claim) it also has no logic for at least 5 key reasons: 1. So does the post-disaster image of Olympic show the "doubler" overlapping or not? Olympic had an "overlap of the plates, or strakes" forward of the bow anchors (described as "the doubler forward at the bower anchors"), while Titanic was different in that "the strake butted up against the doubler and did not overlap it.". Ice on the deck was not from an iceberg, 26. I think it is impossible that the Olympics keel was damaged in the collision, as Robin Gardiner speculates in his 1998 book Titanic: The Ship That Never Sank? Paddy said that the guilt of She worked up to 80. However, this was not unique to Titanic. Upon graduation in 1970, Fenton embarked upon a career as a freelance journalist and was hired (1971) to report on literature and politics for the New Statesman. The crew aboard Titanic from Belfast to Southampton were (except for the deck officers) local operators (or "runners") who mostly worked on voyages that were made locally, and did this with a number of ships, not just Titanic. The reality is that the Californian's cargo manifest does not exist. Secondly, and rather importantly, the names were not engraved on the lifeboats. Survivors on B Deck saw lifeboats lowered from above, 31. In the following photographs we can clearly see a curved wheelhouse under construction during Olympic's fitting out stage, firstly just prior to launch and secondly after the launch. During her construction and in this particular photograph the name was not very clear so the photographer took the liberty of sketching it in, which was not an unusual practice of the day. performance, only two miles shy of Olympics best ever maiden voyage daily run, and she did that with only 21 It must be pointed out that only the hull of Titanic was launched with a basic superstructure. B. Ismay had all the linoleum flooring on the new "RMS Titanic" covered up with new carpet. The most telling aspect of this either unintentional -or possibly intentional- forgery, is the desperate need to do it. For those who have read this website, they will realise that there is certainly no evidence of a 'switch', all the claims have been exposed to reveal nothing but misinformation or fiction and most importantly that there is conclusive evidence to prove that it is Titanic that sank. Well it first must be noted that compared to the Secondly, there was a rush to get the ship to Southampton to begin provisioning for the maiden voyage. This is demonstrably false information. So by April 1912 both ships had 16 portholes. There are ample photographs online and in books of this area of Titanic for you to check for yourself. of her departure many outlets resorted to using photographs and footage of Olympic, leading to much confusion over the subsequent years. The boats were left until December 1912 in New York. - Able Bodied Seaman Thomas Jones testified before the US Inquiry (Day 7), that he went on deck and could see some ice. Titanic's sea trials were shorter than Olympic's James Fenton (b. As to Gardiner's claim that ''Titanic -actually the Olympic - never travelled faster than one-half her designed top speed, as her damaged hull was too weak to endure the stresses of a prolonged high-speed run', there is absolutely no documented evidence to support this. And also the Olympic was 500 miles away and would have been a much better solution if such a rescue was necessary. Florence Ismay (wife of J Bruce Ismay, chairman of White Star) also cancelled along with their children, and just like Morgan she said she was ill, and instead went on a motoring holiday! sailed in a great hurry from Belfast and said that when they hit the iceberg it Lightwood, Stoke-on-Trent - Wikipedia . - Oh, I beg your pardon, yes. Able Bodied Seaman Frederick Clench who was in lifeboat No. There was nothing particulary newsworthy about her. Even if he did blatantly confuse the names of the ships, it would be clear evidence there was not a 'switch', as otherwise he would have been absolutely sure to get the correct name of the ship to ensure the fraud was watertight. This is his testimony: I understand it has been stated that the ship was going at full speed. Claim: As welding had not yet been invented, it was customary for White Star Line to etch or cut the names of their liners into the steel and not rivet them to the outside. If they were interchangeable why would there be a number on it? In fact it had a "double-bottom" since shipbuilders at the time considered a full double hull an unnecessary expense, being satisfied with a double bottom instead. 15 $18.4 17.55 Silver Cricket Fob Recess Antiques 85.00 $104.27 99.42 Silver & M,O,P Fruit Knife.Sheff.1910 By J.Fenton. would have remained in surplus. Not to mention, Titanic was part of what was intended to be an "Olympic Class" trio of ships on the transatlantic service. It began in January of 1912 However, this is not unusual, even for modern ships, and can be due to several factors. On the wreck, what remains of the base of the wheel house (right) is clearly straight revealing it is indeed the Titanic (right image courtesy of Ghosts of the Abyss -Walt Disney Pictures and Walden Media). 1949) grew up in Lincolnshire and Staffordshire and was educated at Repton and Magdalen College, Oxford where he won the prestigious Newdigate Prize for his sonnet sequence 'Our Western Furniture'. Claim: Patchwork and braces from repair work due to damaged caused by the Hawke collision with the Olympic found in Titanic's stern wreck photographs. Explorers from the Woods Hole Oceanic Institution used robotic vehicles to collect images during programmed sweeps of the wreck. Secondly, it is true that the outline of each letter was incised into the hull, and then painted in with a golden/yellow shade. (courtesy Steve Hall), According to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou, "the two additional portholes on Olympic were added about March 1912 during her short stay in Belfast and before the maiden voyage of Titanic. However, as discussed in point 36 (below), almost certainly James Fenton was not aboard Titanic as he claimed. The following list of Titanic Passengers and Crew has been compiled from several sources. Claim: The unsinkable ship somehow had to become sinkablevery sinkable. everything else was added. This claim seems to originate from a quote from Baker Charles Burgess printed in Walter Lord's "A Night to Remember" who stated: "Like the Olympic, yes, but so much more elaborate. James Fenton was born in Lincoln in 1949 and educated at Magdalen College, Oxford where he won the Newdigate Prize for poetry. - Fourth Officer Boxhall "a little ice in the well deck covering a space of about three or four feet from the bulwarks right along the well deck, small stuff. (British Enquiry,Day 13) did not do serious damage but when the cold water hit the coal fire, it (Click image to see full photograph). But also it must be noted that there were tours of Stick to the path. 1)The well known (to some of you) James A Fenton, alias "Paddy the Pig", who in the early 1970s, hinted how the loss of the Titanic was not entirely accidental. 2. exploded and caused the fatal damage. However this claim goes with the assumption that the White Star Line was suffering financially. Not content with an insurance scam 'switch' he also proposes that Titanic (really Olympic) hit, not an iceberg, but an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. Surviving crew signed the Official Secrets Act 10. When questioned about the 'switch' theory at the Belfast Titanic museum Q&A in 2014, the man who discovered the wreck of the Titanic, Dr Robert Ballard, answers: "I think it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean.". the boats were returned to England and reused, however boat no.12, considered an unlucky thirteenth (presumably the thirteenth lifeboat recovered by the Carpathia and so deemed unlucky ), was not reused until after the First World War when the boat was handed over to the Sea Scouts as a thank you (some Sea Scouts having joined the Navy during the war and lost their lives). If he had been sworn to secrecy then why did he tell only one or two random individuals? Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge investigated this account in their book 2. THIS IS NOT A THEORY. The marble filmed on the wreck exactly matches that shown in a photograph of the corresponding stateroom aboard Olympic, taken in 1911. 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